tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9728880.post6564249425258486015..comments2024-03-27T12:30:52.619-04:00Comments on Lost in the Bozone: The Other Dangers of Climate ChangeMRMacrumhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01414173517957120477noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9728880.post-47936394796564087132009-03-29T11:48:00.000-04:002009-03-29T11:48:00.000-04:00Randal - Yeah it does not matter does it? As stup...Randal - Yeah it does not matter does it? As stupid a thing to argue over as I can think of. Like two people standing in the burning house bickering over how the fire started. In the meantime, the house turns to ashes around them.<BR/><BR/>Kulkiri - I have spent time In Maine since the 1950s when I would get parked up here with my Aunt for weeks during the summer. My parents moved here in the mid 1960s. I became a full time resident in 1980. You are right. I have watched and experienced some serious shifting in the over all weather patterns over the years. Toss in the damage I have watched first hand from the acid rain that came from the Mid west stacks and I would say I know we are not helping the planet.<BR/><BR/>Sue - Ah, the brother helping out thing. He deserves a break from his sister. If he had been a contractor, I would have held his feet to the fire. Next time you know. Follow him with a sponge.<BR/><BR/>Demeur - He did raise awareness. Ultimately that is what is important. I just fear that any cycle in action now will not be altered by what we do in the future. The planet is going through a readjustment of sorts. Hopefully not a huge one.MRMacrumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01414173517957120477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9728880.post-21634909353097633352009-03-28T17:37:00.000-04:002009-03-28T17:37:00.000-04:00Sadly we need guys like Al Gore because being the ...Sadly we need guys like Al Gore because being the hard heads we are we'll wait until it's too late to fix the problem. We have from what the scientists have been saying about a 10 year window to change course then there's no turning back. When the oceans heat up and life there starts dying we will follow. It's happened before.Demeurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01935263659097273535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9728880.post-67304691897182016972009-03-28T16:19:00.000-04:002009-03-28T16:19:00.000-04:00Mr M thanks for stopping by! Bud is my little brot...Mr M thanks for stopping by! Bud is my little brother and was doing this job for me. Yes I forced him to grout when he really didn't have the time, and he did offer to clean the tile but I said I would do it. When, who knows, but probably tomorrow! TTYL!! SueSuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18303260031729868857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9728880.post-86532705765648960222009-03-28T15:49:00.000-04:002009-03-28T15:49:00.000-04:00Anyone who lives in the Northern part of the count...Anyone who lives in the Northern part of the country knows we are experiencing global warming. Spring comes sooner (last hard frost) and Fall comes later (first hard frost). Like you said denying that it is happening is just plain stupid. Also getting on Al Gore's case because he lives in a big house that has offices for a bunch of people to work in and so uses a lot of energy is nothing but a fucking distraction!!<BR/><BR/>We will never be self sufficient as far as oil goes until we reverse the proportions of energy we use. We need to use a small amount of oil and a large amount of alternative energy. I doubt we will ever get to the point where we will not need any oil, but the less we use the better off we will be. Also, Vietnam War was about oil (they thought there was oil off 'Nam and they didn't want the filthy Commies getting it) and so were the major conflicts since!! <BR/><BR/>Keep it by-tween the balsams.Kulkurihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09198195648066700925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9728880.post-43419798909099439862009-03-28T15:00:00.000-04:002009-03-28T15:00:00.000-04:00Regardless of whether it's 100% our fault or 0% ou...Regardless of whether it's 100% our fault or 0% our fault, less pollution is a worthy goal. I look at it this way: whose worst case scenario is more deadly? Whatever gets us off throwing toxic shit into the fucking air, earth and water.<BR/><BR/>In a perfect world, I'd like zero countries to be bringing up more crap from underneath the not-all-that-arctic seas, but since it's not a perfect world and we won't go off fossil fuels until well beyond the last possible moment, I'm just sad I'll be long dead and miss all the warmongering over dwindling resources. Make for entertainingly jingoistic teevee.Randal Graveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08728992897551848531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9728880.post-38638169688147712422009-03-28T14:00:00.000-04:002009-03-28T14:00:00.000-04:00Like I said Chef - you and I are on the same page....Like I said Chef - you and I are on the same page. The planet will survive us. No matter if we are at fault or not.<BR/><BR/>The one thing I do like that Al did you pointed to in your first comment. He created awareness. Yes, I think our role may be overstated, but at least he created some dialog.MRMacrumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01414173517957120477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9728880.post-69359918928968138392009-03-28T13:12:00.000-04:002009-03-28T13:12:00.000-04:00My Gore comment was a bit of a rant, but he is a d...My Gore comment was a bit of a rant, but he is a douche bag. I think that he and the "new religion" known as the IPCC are very much to blame for the steamroller media scare-tactics that WE ARE CAUSING IT ALL.<BR/><BR/>I believe climate change is real. The "shaky science" I refer to is that which states it's all our fault. I believe our role in it may be overestimated...perhaps greatly so. I don't think we'll know for some time. If I'm wrong it won't be the first or last time.<BR/><BR/>My reasons for clean and renewable energy and reducing pollution are the same as yours. Don't shit where you eat. Also, resources are finite.<BR/><BR/>The thought that "We are killing the planet" is as fundamentally and humano-centrically arrogant as "God created us in His image".Chef Cthulhuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06210754577326849812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9728880.post-67026269894915060392009-03-28T11:55:00.000-04:002009-03-28T11:55:00.000-04:00Chef Cthulhu - I think we are on the same page her...Chef Cthulhu - I think we are on the same page here about almost everything. Especially the self interest aspect driving it. I understand it and am actually rooting for our side in this. I am just concerned about this new glitch. This is not something that will come to a head in the near future, but with a World finally realizing that we will run out of Oil, I can see this becoming a serious flash point in the future.<BR/><BR/>The climate change thing in my opinion is real. Like I said though, it may only be a short one. But short for the planet can mean serious shit for the humans who live here. I will say the only reason I want us to stop the pollution is it just makes sense to try and cleanup our own act. Pollution sucks. The planet doesn't care. It will do what it's going to do. But while we are here, it just makes sense to not mess in our own nest.MRMacrumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01414173517957120477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9728880.post-89931454921637579752009-03-28T11:16:00.000-04:002009-03-28T11:16:00.000-04:00True 'dat!Thanks for not going "Al Snore" on me. ...True 'dat!<BR/><BR/>Thanks for not going "Al Snore" on me. I really can't stand that douche bag. "Well, does it matter that he made a movie based on shaky science that's been diluted? I mean, he got everyone thinking about it..." Yes, it matters. Fuck him, his uptight prudish wife and the 5,000,000,000 kWh/day house they live in. Sorry, why did I comment?<BR/><BR/>To deny that creating a viable alternative and renewable energy infrastructure is going to take a lot of energy over the next couple of decades is as stupid as denying that the Earth's climate is changing. And even when that has happened, there will still be a need for petroleum. And I'd rather we use our own, and let the Saudis drink theirs.<BR/><BR/>Foreign policy has always been about one thing: naked self interest. Denying this or stating it needs to be different is, to me, 180-out from human nature. Ensure own survival. Ensure own advantage. It's not artificial - it's at the core of every higher organism's programming. Come along, and we'll help you, too. Just the way it is.<BR/><BR/>In reality, the Pentagon initiates planning because they were told to by the Administration. And they do so by telling the various commanders (CENTCOM, etc) to do the planning and get back to them. Been to the 'gon many times. The biggest mystique there is "How the fuck do I get back to the door I came in?" The rest is PowerPoint commandos trying to justify budgets. Been on the planning side of things, too. Believe me, they don't start doing this stuff unless they're told to. Trying to work across 4 services each with their own rice bowls and boss while being overseen by another boss with people from all 4 services on his staff who has his own rice bowls is just too much of an annoyance and time sink to do "just because I'd like to be EEEEEeeevilll...". They'd rather try put their eyes out with a cheese stick.<BR/><BR/>If you ever get the chance, read <I>The War Within</I> by Bob Woodward. Find out how much of the "Surge" idea belonged to the military. Or you can guess...<BR/><BR/>Sorry...back to the Arctic.<BR/><BR/>The interesting thing is that nobody has the navy to really push anything. Russia is still poor as shit, Canada has like, 10 or so ships, and the U.S. has all it can handle in the Gulf, Arabian Sea, Horn of Africa, West Africa, and Pacific. Oh yeah, did I mention China? No, they have absolutely no ambitions...in a few years they are going to blow by the west (the ENTIRE WEST) like we were standing still in terms of energy consumption. They won't need to grab all they can get now will they?<BR/><BR/>Interesting indeed...a compound in Western Australia with surplus claymores lining a 2 km driveway and a sign at the entrance that says "If you can see this, I can see you!" is becoming very appealing...Chef Cthulhuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06210754577326849812noreply@blogger.com